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Postby Robb_K » Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:28 pm

Daniel: I have no problem with McDrake's International English Forum. I just mentioned to Barko that the other forum has a truly international membership of people who seem to have had more access to finding out about it. That leads me to believe that forum has more chance to have a larger membership, because McDrake seems to have no great exposure to the general international public, being on a national forum.

I don't say it will be better. Its initial activity may die down as it did here. It's only that we have almost no posting here now. I will not leave here just because posting is currently low. I didn't mean to imply Barko should leave.

Let us see what transpires in both places over the next months. I hope BOTH fora are successful.
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Postby Daniel73 » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:21 pm

Robb_K wrote:Daniel: I have no problem with McDrake's International English Forum. I just mentioned to Barko that the other forum has a truly international membership of people who seem to have had more access to finding out about it. That leads me to believe that forum has more chance to have a larger membership, because McDrake seems to have no great exposure to the general international public, being on a national forum.

I think the little exposure has to do with people recommending each other to go to Inducks/Outducks, and having people from DCML running the place. I think that McDuck/McDrake has become some "bad guy" because of allowing people (including jokers) to stay anonymous and to have different names on the same board. It seems to me that Outducks apparently liked the idea of McDuck International, but not its liberty. And instead of solving the problems that some kicked out "troll" (me) has listed about their buggy COA/Inducks search machine, they just start a new feature of their own. Now Outducks has a place where "moderators" can control and decide who's welcome and who should be deleted. And so, if there's just one little reason for me to keep McDuck/McDrake on air, it's just to have a platform where people have liberty of speech. Just liberty of speech.

Last year, McDuck International was (as far as I know) the only public place where people could freely discuss reported misbehaviour of a Disney artist, without any problems of nepotistic people begging moderators to kick out critical people. That was the point were McDuck/McDrake has proven its usefulness to me. People could just discuss here and have their say, without being bothered by some nerds deleting their postings.
Especially with artists and editors I get the feeling that fans try to please them to let them stay, and that the artists and editors love the VIP-treatment. McDrake is intended to be by fans and for fans. Artists and editors are welcome, but so is criticism.

I think Duckburg needs criticism. A lot. Even in The Netherlands the place is dying out. A lot of good Dutch artists from the past have imploded. Even Daan Jippes stories are close to crap. How come? Why do a lot of comic book artists implode at Disney? Are editors really nice fellows? Are artists to blame?

Robb_K wrote:I don't say it will be better. Its initial activity may die down as it did here. It's only that we have almost no posting here now. I will not leave here just because posting is currently low. I didn't mean to imply Barko should leave.

Let us see what transpires in both places over the next months. I hope BOTH fora are successful.

I hope the freedom of speech will be succesful. Anywhere. That's what I'm doing my efforts for, here on McDrake. Hopefully there is at least some inspiration among it.

However, at this moment I have too many ongoing private circumstances to put energy in McDrake. I could use my knowledge to raise up topics and discussions, but I think it's better to first get myself together. Especially in the past ten years I've had so many plans and ideas, that I just burnt out. So, I'm almost happy with an empty board now. :)

Another private circumstance is that also my new computer has problems with its audio/video-conversion. (I slowly get the idea that I might be better off buying a DVD/harddisk-recorder.) The computer shop just can't get the system to work. Rather the opposite. Last time they just erased the entire system.

McDrake will need months before I can really faithfully work on it, instead of just glancing through it. And, suddenly being the administrator, I just need some time to first canalize my "old" projects, ideas and plans. Some of these "old" matters might be very useful in giving McDrake body.
One plan is to finally digitize rare or otherwise interesting stuff from my collection, which I could put online for everyone to see and to copy. Hopefully this could be the inspiration for others to join such a project as well.
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Postby Daniel73 » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:51 pm

Liberty of speech? At 'DCF - The Disney Comics Forum', almost everyone is either administrator or moderator.
So fast I count 26 moderators and 1 administrator. For only 73 users, among which themselves.
This would mean they have 46 members, and at least 26 moderators to control them. That's about two moderators per member. Are they kidding? This is not one Brother but a Brotherhood watching you.

And they don't even have a guest option. A guest option would be the only reason I would need 26 moderators for, concerning the flood of spambots here on McDrake.
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Postby Daniel73 » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:26 pm

On "DCF", anomynous maintainer Cacou writes false claims, if not just insults, about lacking of dedicated English forums.

2007-03-21 00:59, Cacou wrote:Thanks to everyone!

By the way, I would like to point out in this message that I am a big fan of the DCML. The only reason that this place exists is because it seemed to me an English forum was lacking, and that today many people would rather use web fora. But the DCML maintainers expressed their wish of sticking to a mailing list (which has benefits and also a few drawbacks).
DCML is THE historical Disney comics place and the list on which most interesting Disney comics discussions ever took place. If this place has 5% of the interesting talks on DCML, that will be a success.
So it's out of necessity that this forum is created and not meant as a "challenger project". This is also because I haven't seen any other dedicated English forum out there.

PS: I have launched that forum myself with the help of a few friends, and use the Inducks server for hosting the forum. But apart for that, it's not part of Inducks, as Inducks is only the Disney comics database itself (some "indexers" pointed it to me, although I guess most visitors will not care too much).

http://dcf.outducks.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59#p59
http://dcf.outducks.org/viewtopic.php?id=2

Anonymous Cacou (is that Francois Willot?) and at least some other Induckers should know better, instead of frauding history. The idea of an international English Disney comics board has, to my knowledge, been introduced by me and Sander and Dukka of McDuck. I'm willing to bet that Cacou knows this, because somebody has told him about the existance of McDuck and McDrake.
At least there seems to be yet another English board somewhere. So maybe even McDuck/McDrake was not the first.

It was my idea to combine COA/Inducks with a webboard, and I have introduced it on DCML last year. People can check that. I got into trouble when people thought of me as a competitor to DCML. And now the people are used to the possibility and idea of a webboard, king Cacou has come to play for hero.

I hope people will like their stay at Cacou's show. He proves that it pays to be ignorant.
Everyone is free to raise a board, let that be clear, but simply don't tell lies. Be honest. Everyone can check out that Cacou is praising himself for what others already have suggested. It's disgusting.
Such mentality will be the end of Inducks. COA is being misused for the promotion of solo-projects, frauding history. Cacou has misused his power.

And Robb_K, I just can't believe that you declared McDuck/McDrake International as being death, on DCF. Why did you do that?
2007-03-20 21:06, Robb_K wrote:Glad to see this new forum. The international (English language) forum on the Dutch McDrake.NL Forum is dead (it seems to have been a failure)-so I wish this one success!

http://dcf.outducks.org/viewtopic.php?pid=50#p50

Do you know the difference between sleep and death? And why would McDuck/McDrake be "a failure"?
Is it any wonder that McDrake is quiet, when people are advertising its "death" without even adding a link to let people find out for themselves if your criticism is valid?
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Postby Robb_K » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:13 pm

Daniel73 wrote:On "DCF", anomynous maintainer Cacou writes false claims, if not just insults, about lacking of dedicated English forums.

2007-03-21 00:59, Cacou wrote:Thanks to everyone!

By the way, I would like to point out in this message that I am a big fan of the DCML. The only reason that this place exists is because it seemed to me an English forum was lacking, and that today many people would rather use web fora. But the DCML maintainers expressed their wish of sticking to a mailing list (which has benefits and also a few drawbacks).
DCML is THE historical Disney comics place and the list on which most interesting Disney comics discussions ever took place. If this place has 5% of the interesting talks on DCML, that will be a success.
So it's out of necessity that this forum is created and not meant as a "challenger project". This is also because I haven't seen any other dedicated English forum out there.

PS: I have launched that forum myself with the help of a few friends, and use the Inducks server for hosting the forum. But apart for that, it's not part of Inducks, as Inducks is only the Disney comics database itself (some "indexers" pointed it to me, although I guess most visitors will not care too much).

http://dcf.outducks.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59#p59
http://dcf.outducks.org/viewtopic.php?id=2

Anonymous Cacou (is that Francois Willot?) and at least some other Induckers should know better, instead of frauding history. The idea of an international English Disney comics board has, to my knowledge, been introduced by me and Sander and Dukka of McDuck. I'm willing to bet that Cacou knows this, because somebody has told him about the existance of McDuck and McDrake.
At least there seems to be yet another English board somewhere. So maybe even McDuck/McDrake was not the first.

It was my idea to combine COA/Inducks with a webboard, and I have introduced it on DCML last year. People can check that. I got into trouble when people thought of me as a competitor to DCML. And now the people are used to the possibility and idea of a webboard, king Cacou has come to play for hero.

I hope people will like their stay at Cacou's show. He proves that it pays to be ignorant.
Everyone is free to raise a board, let that be clear, but simply don't tell lies. Be honest. Everyone can check out that Cacou is praising himself for what others already have suggested. It's disgusting.
Such mentality will be the end of Inducks. COA is being misused for the promotion of solo-projects, frauding history. Cacou has misused his power.

And Robb_K, I just can't believe that you declared McDuck/McDrake International as being death, on DCF. Why did you do that?
2007-03-20 21:06, Robb_K wrote:Glad to see this new forum. The international (English language) forum on the Dutch McDrake.NL Forum is dead (it seems to have been a failure)-so I wish this one success!

http://dcf.outducks.org/viewtopic.php?pid=50#p50

Do you know the difference between sleep and death? And why would McDuck/McDrake be "a failure"?
Is it any wonder that McDrake is quiet, when people are advertising its "death" without even adding a link to let people find out for themselves if your criticism is valid?

Sorry. You are quite right that my wording was uncalled for. I will make a retraction of my statement, and mention that our forum here is a good one, that people should check out. And I'll provide a link to McDrake's International Forum. I don't want to give the impression that i want this forum to die. On the contrary. I'd prefer THIS ONE to be the most successful, with the most activity, as it would be more convenient for me, as I'm here anyway on the Dutch Forum. It was only very depressing that we never got many non-Dutch members, and activity went down to almost nothing.

I will try my best to get other people here.
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Postby Daniel73 » Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:38 pm

Robb_K wrote:Sorry. You are quite right that my wording was uncalled for. I will make a retraction of my statement, and mention that our forum here is a good one, that people should check out. And I'll provide a link to McDrake's International Forum. I don't want to give the impression that i want this forum to die. On the contrary. I'd prefer THIS ONE to be the most successful, with the most activity, as it would be more convenient for me, as I'm here anyway on the Dutch Forum. It was only very depressing that we never got many non-Dutch members, and activity went down to almost nothing.

I will try my best to get other people here.

My apologies for being so hard and harsh to you about this. You are one of the most important members here on McDrake, both national and international. You have been a intermediar for both Dutch and international people. Seeing you go to DCF does turn McDrake into a failure.

For me a strong point of McDrake are the categories where people can show their own creativity. ("Fanfiction") My plan was to ask Outducks for data storage room, so that McDrake could preserve pictures. But now, with "DCF", I guess McDrake won't have a chance for that anymore.

What really hurts me is that McDuck/McDrake isn't even mentioned as a national Dutch forum on COA. This way I've experienced how other webboard maintainers might feel. On McDuck and Mcdrake I've always supported and recommended links to COA/Inducks. And now it turns out that "DCF" on COA/Inducks has become a competitor to other people's webboards, unless they are lucky to be mentioned under the selected "accepted" few.

As Cacou himself notes, "DFC" is NOT an Inducks project. In fact, the "COA" search machine isn't even Inducks. What has happened is that Cacou is slowly but rapidly becoming some independent Inducks celebrity, while his COA search machine website only exists in lack of other Inducks search machines. The Inducks search machine started at DCML, and possibly it still exists there in an old copy.
I've been very hard and impossible about the Inducks group, but I've always shown respect to other people efforts. Inducks is an institute for me. Overall I've promoted Inducks a lot. McDrake has links to both DCML and COA/Inducks. McDrake supports DCML and COA/Inducks. And so, with COA presenting young "brother" DCF, good old McDrake is supporting it's own death.

Despite my many complaints through the years I've always had a warm heart for DCML and Inducks. I'm really shocked about what's happening to Inducks. It's not a neutral project for everyone anymore.
I look at COA/Inducks as being a personality show of an individual and his many moderating friends. I can also have a busy forum if I would give away moderation options as if they are stocks, and if I would recommended my visitors to advertise for me.

I'm curious how DCF will grow. How it will re-invent wheels, for example. Will DCF now also take over the "Fanfiction" idea of people showing their own creativity? I wonder how DCF will grow without it being a plagiarism of McDrake, as McDrake already offers categories that DCF still is lacking. For example, DCF is now considering an off-topic section. McDrake already has one.

What McDrake boards deliberately don't have is a feature that derives information from IP addresses, like the flags that are shown on DCF. Reason is that McDrake has promised not to use privacy information from IP addresses. Otherwise i would mean that people could "follow" the course of traveling members, in which country they are. I think location is private information that no one needs to know. People can paste flags into their avatar if they wish their individual location to be public.

My big mistake here as McDuck/McDrake maintainer is that I never really promoted McDrake. I didn't want to promote, because I thought that McDrake shouldn't take away people from other people's boards and from DCML. I intended McDrake as an extra option for people to discover by themselves. Without luring away people from other boards.
I have brainstormed about asking COA to link to McDuck/McDrake, but I thought that would have needed a discussion first. I've been much too reluctant, it seems. And I just didn't expect that COA would offer a webboard service of its own. There are too many software-problems with COA to expect a new service that other people already are offering.

I've understood that at least Cacou of DCF deliberately ignores the existance of McDrake, even though he has been told about McDrake's existance. That was a stab in the back for me. Apologies over and over again for my temper, but I could never be so dominant as DCF is acting now. McDrake has always been open to other people's projects, including projects like COA/Inducks.

It seems to me that DCF's mutinity is the death of Inducks. DCF shows that Inducks is divided, like loose sand, and that individuals can (mis)use it for any project. The only ways to solve the problem are (1) trying to talk with Cacou on his own board, surrounded by his many moderators, or (2) to raise a new, neutral Inducks search machine that maintainers can safely link to without unwanted advertising for someone's personal webboard hobby. DCF acts like a competitor now. It even competes with Inducks itself.

It's very sour that McDuck/McDrake sees itself suddenly advertising Cacou's DCF, simply by providing links to Inducks on Cacou's COA. This way Cacou is misusing the power of Inducks for his own personal benefit, for everyone to see. This can't really be the purpose of Inducks.

Even if McDrake would become a dead failure that deserves to be overlooked anyhow, the presentation of DCF still is bad news for any neutral person linking to COA/Inducks.
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Postby Daniel73 » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:55 pm

The posting below, sent to DCF, has been removed...
It was sent to the same topic as where Cacou wrote the text I commented to.

Today 15:28, Daniel73 wrote:
Cacou wrote:By the way, I would like to point out in this message that I am a big fan of the DCML. The only reason that this place exists is because it seemed to me an English forum was lacking, and that today many people would rather use web fora. But the DCML maintainers expressed their wish of sticking to a mailing list (which has benefits and also a few drawbacks).
DCML is THE historical Disney comics place and the list on which most interesting Disney comics discussions ever took place. If this place has 5% of the interesting talks on DCML, that will be a success.
So it's out of necessity that this forum is created and not meant as a "challenger project". This is also because I haven't seen any other dedicated English forum out there.

There already is an international English web-based PunBB board available. It started as McDuck International and since 2007 it's titled McDrake International.
URL: http://bb.mcdrake.nl/engdisney/

I'm surprised that McDrake is overlooked as being non-existant here. I hope Cacou will correct that.
One of McDrake's strong points is that it's open to "Fanfiction". There is a category where people can present their own work.
http://bb.mcdrake.nl/engdisney/viewforum.php?id=15

Cacou wrote:PS: I have launched that forum myself with the help of a few friends, and use the Inducks server for hosting the forum. But apart for that, it's not part of Inducks, as Inducks is only the Disney comics database itself (some "indexers" pointed it to me, although I guess most visitors will not care too much).

If DCF is a just a webboard outside of Inducks, then why is it promoted on COA?
Why is Inducks/Outducks paying for DCF, while McDrake is being paid out of my own pocket? If Outducks gives room to DCF, shouldn't it also give room to other people's projects?
If not, how can the Inducks database be reached and searched in a neutral way, without supporting an individual's hobby in favour of other people's projects?

For the Netherlands there is McDrake Nederland, as follow-up to Dutch McDuck.
http://bb.mcdrake.nl/neddisney/
Can this Dutch webboard also be mentioned on COA? Now COA is providing links to national boards, I think every board should be mentioned and not just only one per country. At the moment, COA only links to a Dutch "prikbord".

I hope COA will also provide links to international boards other than only DCF.
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Postby Robb_K » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:31 pm

I posted the following post, which has NOT been removed:

Hello folks. There is another International Disney Comics Forum at <www.mcdrake.nl> -click on "McDrake International"- or use this directly: <http://bb.mcdrake.nl/engdisney/>

It is a good forum. We have gotten writers such as myself and a few others from Dutch and Danish Disney comics, as well as a few artists from those companies to post there periodically. We've even had an editor post sporadically. We welcome others to come there and post about Disney comics topics. One need not become a member to post on threads. There is also a "fanfiction" thread on which would-be aspiring artists and writers, or just fans having fun, post their stories and drawings. Everyone is welcome.


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Hou nou, bruin kou.... (of is dat "koe")?
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Postby Robb_K » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:16 am

Here is the title of my thread recommending this forum:

» Other (English Language) International Disney Comics Forum


Let's hope we get some of the new people attracted to DCF over here.
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Postby Daniel73 » Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:17 pm

Robb_K wrote:Here is the title of my thread recommending this forum:

» Other (English Language) International Disney Comics Forum

Thanks! The URL is: http://dcf.outducks.org/viewtopic.php?id=26

Robb_K wrote:Let's hope we get some of the new people attracted to DCF over here.

McDrake International now is very quiet but not desperate. The less visitors the more time I have to communicate about technical, boring matters. What matters to me is that McDrake is available for self-publication. I want to make McDrake a sort of library where people can read/add text, pictures, and preferably even sound and video. The boards are only just a small part of what I want with McDrake.

About my recent rants:
I'm told that since yesterday-moring, the featured link to DCF has been removed from COA.
http://coa.inducks.org/
I've understood that also according to Inducks, DCF should be seen as a loose webboard like McDrake (or any other webboards).
And I've understood that Outducks is also open for McDrake and activities like 'A Guidebook'.
This means that, principally, I could move the McDrake-boards to Outducks. It's my own choice not to do that, as I want the McDrake boards to be independent.
So, in short, I guess there's no reason for me to complain any longer about DCF's existance. It's a peer board with its own policy. This way the road is open to give people a choice.

I hope to restore the open guest-option, because I don't want spambots to destroy a feature that seems to be rather unique within Duckburg. McDrake International gab-muffing guests just isn't McDrake.

One reason for independence is that McDrake boards should be as uncensored and open as possible. My basic measure is that if McDrake censors something, it has really been over the edge. In effect this means that moderators have to accept postings that they personally are unhappy with. Liberty of speech is that important on McDrake.
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Postby Daniel73 » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:34 pm

Talking about liberty of speech. DCF has banned me for just that one message in which I commented to Cacou.
I'm going to complain about this at Inducks, as DCF uses an Inducks-address for their moderation.

You are banned from this forum.

Please direct any inquiries to the forum administrator at fwi@inducks.org.

There are not even rules at DCF!
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Postby Barko » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:28 am

Robb_K wrote:
Barko wrote:Hi, everybody. I have´nt posted for a long time, partly due to health issues, and now I see that not much is going on here anymore. Is the forum about to die out? And if so, how come?

Hi Barko. Good to see you back. I look in here every day. But no one is posting other than Daniel73 (The Moderator) -posting once in a while about the Forum, or features he's added, or adding some information about comics, or points involved in stories. But, the only other posters in many weeks are commercial spammers or pornography sales spammers.

However, a new International (English language) Disney Comics Forum has now started up at: <http://dcf.outducks.org>

That one already has over 50 members, and they are truly international (many from DCML).Many members are from Scandinavia, Germany, Italy, France and USA, but there are also members from Spain, Latin America, Britain, Poland, Brasil and some other countries. I think that is what a lot of people who stopped posting on DCML wanted. It is truly an original international entity, not a sub-forum on a NATIONAL forum (such as McDrake). Its administrator is a Dane, but its moderators are French and will include possibly a German and Italian. There are a few Dutch members there already, as well.

I will stay here as long as it continues to stay operating (as I frequent the regular Dutch Forum, anyway). But, I think this English subforum appears to outsiders as a subforum of a national forum, that is not able to attract many outsiders.

Hi, Rob. Nice talking to you again! I will drop in now and then at McDrake to check out what´s happening. I´m sorry to hear about all the troubles this forum has encountered with spambots etc. I hope it´s still possible to "restore" the forum to it´s past glory...
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Postby Daniel73 » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:39 am

Old Announcement:
<strong>Notice:</strong> McDuck International has just been moved from McDuck.nl to McDrake.nl. Not everything is finished yet. More details will follow.<BR>
Due to spambots this board is read-only for guests. Hopefully this is temporary. Contact address for guests: dve (at) kabelfoon.nl

I added the reference to my e-mail address, as people may experience technical difficulties posting to the board. In the future, I plan to have a seperate e-mail address for contacting McDrake, now that guests cannot post due to spambots. Even when guests decide to register, they might experience problems logging in. So, having an e-mail address would at least give some way to get in contact with McDrake.

This weekend I've tried to complete the migration from McDuck International to McDrake International.
See topics:
Rules on McDrake International
http://bb.mcdrake.nl/engdisney/viewtopic.php?t=265
Changes on McDrake International
http://bb.mcdrake.nl/engdisney/viewtopic.php?t=266

Principally, McDrake International can also be named McDuck International. The name change is done for practical reasons, because of having moved to another domain-name. I for myself try to draw line between 2006 (McDuck) and 2007 (McDrake).

New Announcement:
<strong>Notice:</strong> Due to spambots this board is read-only for guests. Hopefully this is temporary. (<A HREF="http://bb.mcdrake.nl/engdisney/viewtopic.php?p=2516#p2516">more information and contact address</A>)

The link refers to a message in the topic 'Spam spam spam'.
http://bb.mcdrake.nl/engdisney/viewtopic.php?p=2516#p2516
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Postby Daniel73 » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:36 pm

Today, I'm moving the administration/moderation-options from my profile "Daniel73" to new profile "admin".
Reason is that I want to make a clear difference between being administrator and just being visitor.

The profile "admin" is intended purely for maintaining. The same for its e-mail adres. (admin@mcdrake.nl)

About Disney comics, etc. Moderated by <a href="profile.php?id=20">Daniel73</a>. <img src="http://bb.mcdrake.nl/engdisney/img/avatars/69.gif" alt="[forum picture]" style="float:right;margin:-55px -16px 0 0;position:relative;_margin-bottom:-27px" />

Text at the top of each page. The moderator-reference is now changed into: Moderated by <a href="profile.php?id=104">admin</a>.

The title of this topic, 'New moderator: Daniel73', has become outdated.
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