Don Rosa nominated for Eisner Award

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Postby Rockerduck » Sun May 06, 2007 11:59 pm

Don Rosa has been nominated for an Eisner Award for 'The black knight glorps again'. Following a selection of two e-mails:

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Don Rosa Eisner Nomination
UNDBKB
Thu Apr 19 05:19:52 CEST 2007

FYI
> Don Rosa has been nominated for an Eisner Award for BEST STORY OF THE YEAR.
> "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!".
> Announcement will be made Thiss week!


Barry Branvold

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Don Rosa Eisner nomination
M.J. Prior
Fri Apr 20 01:24:01 CEST 2007

As much as I like and enjoy reading Rosa's stories, I'd
regret to see him get an Eisner Award for "The Black
Knight GLORPS again!", because that's really not one of
his best stories and certainly can't stand up against "A
Matter of Some Gravity" and the Lo$-series, which were
actual Eisner Award winners.

First and foremost, the story is derivative of the earlier
story "The Black Knight", which was better than its
sequel. Secondly, the story can't stand on its own, as it
needs too much explaining about things that happened in
previous stories. I feel the narrative is bogged down by
these explanations.

Thirdly, some of the panels have artwork that really
shouldn't be allowed in comics, especially panel 10.7,
where Miss Quackfaster's hand is cropped off, where Rosa
could have let her point outwards the panel. The middle of
the panel is a big closed door, and the characters are
pushed to the edge of the screen. There should be another
way to show this situation.

Fourthly, the story reuses a Barks character, the museum
director from "The Golden Helmet", who was originally a
sterner and more rounded character, but comes off very
bland in Rosa's story, in which he has only a minor part.

Upon rereading "The Black Knight GLORPS again!" I got a
more favourable impression than I remembered having. It's
an amusing story and it works well once you know where
it's heading. Still, it can be unfavourably compared to so
many other stories that I don't think it would deserve the
Eisner Award for which it's nominated.

If any, Rosa should have the Eisner Award for Cramming the
Highest Possible Amount of Information in Twenty-Five
Pages.

Greetings,

Michiel Prior.

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More e-mails from DCML:



Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:43:49 -0500
From: "deanmary"
Subject: Congrats to Don Rosa and Gemstone!
To: <dcml

The 2007 Eisner Award nominees were just announced. In the category of "Best Short Story", Don Rosa's, "The Black Knight Glorps Again" was one of the 5 nominees! So much congratulations to Don Rosa and Gemstone for this honor!

Dean Rekich

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:32:41 +0300
From: Kriton Kyrimis
Subject: Re: Don Rosa Eisner nomination
To: dcml

MICHIEL:

> As much as I like and enjoy reading Rosa's stories, I'd
> regret to see him get an Eisner Award for "The Black
> Knight GLORPS again!", because that's really not one of
> his best stories

To get the award, the story only needs to be better than the other five
nominated stories, not better than Don's previous stories. I would assume
that, the Eisner award being a prestigious industry award, these six stories
*are* some of the best stories published last year, even if their creators
have produced better stories in the past.

Kriton.
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"To the rational mind nothing is inexplicable--only unexplained."
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Other nominees include:

Best Short Story
- "The Black Knight Glorps Again," by Don Rosa, in Uncle Scrooge #354 (Gemstone)
- "Felix," by Gabrielle Bell, in Drawn & Quarterly Showcase 4 (Drawn & Quarterly)
- "A Frog’s Eye View," by Bill Willingham and James Jean, in Fables: 1001 Nights of Snowfall (Vertigo/DC)
- "Old Oak Trees," by Tony Cliff, in Flight 3 (Ballantine)
- "Stan Lee Meets Spider-Man," by Stan Lee, Oliver Coipel, and Mark Morales, in Stan Lee Meets Spider-Man (Marvel)
- "Willie: Portrait of a Groundskeeper," by Eric Powell, in Bart Simpsons’s Treehouse of Horror #12 (Bongo)

source: http://www.comic-con.org/cci/cci_eisners_main.shtml

Another e-mail from DCML:

DCML Digest, Vol 50, Issue 17 (on divers matters)
kimba1962
Mon Apr 23 01:07:44 CEST 2007

[...]

Michiel Prior wrote:
>I don't feel that Don Rosa should have an Award for
> ["The Black Knight Glorps Again"], when so many other, *better*
> stories didn't get an Award...
> "The Black Knight GLORPS again!" is nice, but not great.
> It's the only Disney story that got nominated for this
> year's Eisner Awards, which suggests that, if nothing
> else, it's this year's best Disney story. And *that* would
> suggest that this year's Disney stories simply weren't
> very great.

Given how many Rosa stories are LEFT to appear, I'd say we should all be rooting for him to win, regardless of what you may think about this particular story. He may not have many more chances.

Chris Barat

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E-mail from DCML to Gary Leach (Gemstone):

On matters
Gary Leach
Fri Apr 20 18:14:14 CEST 2007

[...]

M.J. Prior:

> If any, Rosa should have the Eisner Award for Cramming the Highest
> Possible Amount of Information in Twenty-Five Pages.

One certainly does get one's money's worth in that respect :-)

[...]

Kriton:

> To get the award, the story only needs to be better than the other
> five
> nominated stories, not better than Don's previous stories. I would
> assume
> that, the Eisner award being a prestigious industry award, these
> six stories *are* some of the best stories published last year,
> even if their creators have produced better stories in the past.

Perfectly true, and a key point that too often gets overlooked.

Gary

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source: http://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/2007-April/024944.html

More:

Gemstone TPBs + Eisner thoughts
deanmary
Mon Apr 23 07:24:19 CEST 2007

[...]

As far as Don Rosa's "The Black Knight Glorps Again" getting nominated for an Eisner, I think that is great news. Whether it is among his best stories is of course a personal view with neither a right or wrong answer. Even if you do not have a high opinion of it though, I *still* think it should be thrilling news. Disney comics get *so* little attention in North America that almost *any* attention is good! And as others have pointed out, these were nominations for *one* year. As the cliché goes, I am just happy the story was nominated. smile

I have only met Don Rosa two times and thus do not know him personally. However, from what I have read him write on the Internet and in some publications, I would think that Don's win of a an Eisner for his "Life and Times of Scrooge" series will always be the highlight for him as far as awards go, at least for North America. If I am wrong Don, please correct me.

Finally, personally of course I like some of Don's stories better than others. However, even the stories I like relatively the least, I *still* love! To me, that is a kind of "batting average" that is hard to beat!

Dean Rekich

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Don Rosa Eisner nomination
M.J. Prior
Wed May 2 17:58:45 CEST 2007

I wrote in an earlier post:

> ... "A Matter of Some Gravity" and the Lo$-series, which
> were actual Eisner Award winners.

Oops! "A Matter ..." only got an Eisner nomination!

Joe Torcivia:

> And, if Don Rosa wins an Eisner for "The Black Knight
> Glorps Again", I will be happy for him

Sure, if Don Rosa wins the Eisner I'd be happy for him as
well, but ...

> If you're a fan of this stuff, I'd think you'd prefer
> the Eisner went to Rosa and/or Gemstone than having it go
> to someone else, under any circumstance!

This is sheer nonsense. It's not like these Awards are
some kind of baseball competition, where you're rooting
for either one team or the other. I must admit that I
haven't read any of the other nominated stories, but given
the fact that they ARE nominated for Best Short Story,
there's a chance that I might like some, if not all, of
the other stories as well. Thus I might be equally happy
for one of the other guys, should they win the Award.

Greetings,

Michiel Prior.


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Awards Debate
JTorci3511
Thu May 3 14:02:00 CEST 2007


To my comment below:

> If you're a fan of this stuff, I'd think you'd prefer
> the Eisner went to Rosa and/or Gemstone than having it go
> to someone else, under any circumstance!

Michiel Prior responds with the following:

>>This is sheer nonsense. It's not like these Awards are
some kind of baseball competition, where you're rooting
for either one team or the other. I must admit that I
haven't read any of the other nominated stories, but given
the fact that they ARE nominated for Best Short Story,
there's a chance that I might like some, if not all, of
the other stories as well. Thus I might be equally happy
for one of the other guys, should they win the Award.>>

First: Can't ANYONE disagree with someone's posting on the Internet without
that disagreement being branded as "sheer nonsense"?! I disagreed with
Michiel, and stated the reasons for that disagreement -- even offering a parallel
to the Oscars and animation, without denigrating his opinion. Even if I
were to privately consider his assuming the role of arbiter over the Eisner
committees and judges to be "nonsensical" -- particularly when the committee has
read all the different nominated works and he has not, it would not be my
place to state that in a public forum.

Second: As long as he brings it up, the Eisner's ARE INDEED in many ways
similar to a "baseball competition". I've attended a few, and can say that
there have been partisan groups that cheer and whoop it up for their particular
favorites as much as one might do so for Derek Jeter or David Ortiz. One
year, there was such a group "making noise" for the creator of an indie comic
called "The Three Geeks" to such an extent, that I left the awards determined
to try the book. BTW, I DID, and I liked it.

Third: Using the "Three Geeks" example. If such attention can move someone
like myself -- who is admittedly not an indie supporter -- to buy and enjoy
such a title, why wouldn't the Eisner "buzz" and notoriety have the same
effect for UNCLE SCROOGE? Thus, my statement: "If you're a fan of this stuff,
I'd think you'd prefer the Eisner went to Rosa and/or Gemstone than having it
go to someone else, under any circumstance!" Right now, Gemstone needs any
help it can get! And (again) IF YOU ARE A FAN OF THIS STUFF, you WANT to see
Rosa and Gemstone win the award over someone else -- just as I (as a Yankees
fan) would want to see Derek Jeter win the MVP over David Ortiz. If you are
NOT A FAN OF THIS STUFF, then please be as "fair and balanced" or neutral in
your opinions as you wish. That's what MAKES competition in the first place.

Fourth and Final: Michiel, if you are so adamant that Don Rosa should not
win an Eisner for this particular story -- and would rather be "fair and
balanced" as opposed to being "a fan of this stuff" (as I openly profess to be),
why don't you do everyone on this list a service and seek out and read the
stories that are competing with Don Rosa. No sarcasm is meant here -- but you
can serve as "our eyes" on the overall picture and accurately report to the
List on whether Don's entry is -- or is not -- worthy of the top prize in the
field that exists THIS year. Finally, if you respond to these comments, do
take the high road and make your point with examples (...particularly if you DO
read the competing entries) and civility. We can continue to disagree
without name calling and denigration.

Indeed, I WOULD be interested in hearing how you would stack ALL this year's
nominees for "Best Short Story", and (I'll assume) so would many members of
this list.

Joe Torcivia.


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Opinions? Has the story rightly been nominated? Should Don Rosa win this Eisner Award? Was 'The black night glorps again' really that good? Does anybody knows the other stories? How are they?
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Postby Robb_K » Mon May 07, 2007 2:43 am

I think there are a lot better artists and writers who haven't won The Eisner Award than Don Rosa. But, I also think Don, himself, has written better stories than those proposed for the award. Unfortunately, I'm sure I haven't read the other stories up for the award. I'm sure I'd rather have a Daan Jippes or William Van Horn story from the past year win it. But everyone has different taste. As I haven't had a story printed in a USA comic book in the past year, I can't vote for my own (although i hope that will change within the next year or two).
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Postby Egg » Thu May 10, 2007 12:46 am

More messages from the Eisner Award discussion on DCML. Including a message by Don Rosa.

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Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 00:42:49 +0200
From: "M.J. Prior"
Subject: Awards debate
To: dcml

Joe Torcivia wrote:

> If you're a fan of this stuff, I'd think you'd prefer
> the Eisner went to Rosa and/or Gemstone than having it go
> to someone else, under any circumstance!

To which I responded with the following:

>> This is sheer nonsense.

I guess I could have done with "I strongly disagree",
which gives an equally adequate, but probably less
offensive, expression of my feelings towards your
statement.

I *do* consider myself a fan of Rosa's 'stuff' and yet I
don't feel so strongly that he *should* win this Eisner
Award, no matter what, and certainly not up to the point
where I would begrudge an other artist the Eisner, which
your "under any circumstance!" seems to imply. Maybe I
would have had a stronger feeling if the nominated story
was a real dilly, like "A Matter of Some Gravity", but as
it is I don't see why Don Rosa should have the Award at
all costs.

Your Bugs Bunny example doesn't hold here, because Don
Rosa has already *had* his Awards, for the Lo$-series in
1995 and for Best Artist/Writer: Humor in 1997, although I
admit it was an adequate reaction to that part of my mail
that you quoted above it, just like I disregarded the rest
of your mail and focused on this one sentence.

> If such attention can move someone [...] to buy and enjoy
> such a title, why wouldn't the Eisner "buzz" and
> notoriety have the same effect for UNCLE SCROOGE?

That's a good point, but it's a new point which was absent
in your previous post. I can agree with you on this one.

> If you are NOT A FAN OF THIS STUFF, then please be
> as "fair and balanced" or neutral in your opinions as
> you wish.

Which I assume means that as a fan, you don't need to be
critical?

> why don't you do everyone on this list a service and seek
> out and read the stories that are competing with Don Rosa.

I think you are more in a position to do so than I am,
since apparently you live in the States, whereas I live in
the Netherlands and would have to go to greater lengths to
lay my hands on copies on all of the nominated stories. In
fact, Rosa's story is by far the most easily available
story in the batch, because it has seen print in so many
different countries.

Greetings, Michiel Prior.


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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:32:16 EDT
From: JTorci3511
Subject: Re: Awards Debate
To: dcml

Michiel Prior wrote:

"I guess I could have done with "I strongly disagree" [ instead of 'This is
sheer nonsense'],
which gives an equally adequate, but probably less offensive, expression of
my feelings towards your statement."

Thank you for that, Michiel. With that said, everything else becomes little
more than a civil difference of opinion.

Whether or not we agree on matters ranging from Bugs Bunny's Oscar (...not
Bugs' or Friz Freleng's best work), to if Don Rosa's story in question is one
of his best (...for the record, I do not regard it as one of his best -- but
only because it lies in the company of such other stellar works) becomes
fodder for other List members to consider and add to the discussion.

My opinions -- love 'em or hate 'em -- come from being a biased "fan of this
stuff". The only sin in that would be to act as such, but fail to openly
characterize yourself as such. Beyond that, it's all opinion -- and "fannish
bias" -- or lack thereof -- is key to forming opinion. This is no more than a
debate between a biased "fan of this stuff" and someone who might choose to
be a bit more "open minded" -- and more power to both of us!

Where I'll take just one more disagreement with Michiel is the following:

"I think you are more in a position to do so than I am,
since apparently you live in the States, whereas I live in
the Netherlands and would have to go to greater lengths to
lay my hands on copies on all of the nominated stories. In
fact, Rosa's story is by far the most easily available
story in the batch, because it has seen print in so many
different countries."

Logistically, perhaps. In the "Reality of Life Sense", not so much! Given
both the blessings and curses of middle-class American life, my time and
funds to devote to comics are at all time lows. I keep up with (barely) that
which I enjoy -- mostly from Gemstone and DC. I once had a greater inclination
toward experimentation -- but no more.

Besides, as a biased "fan of this stuff" I'd have no interest in seeking out
anything else -- unless it someone showed me that it was simply too good to
pass up! On the other hand, the very instruments of technology that allow
Michiel and I to have this debate are open to him -- and to all members of this
List -- and would enable any and all to seek out and obtain these other
works.

If not Michiel, perhaps someone on the List could make this a project. It
would be interesting to see the results -- and our collective horizons
(...even mine) might be broadened by the experience!

Joe Torcivia.


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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:27:27 -0400
From: "Don Rosa"
Subject: RE: DCML Digest, Vol 51, Issue 6
To: dcml

>>>>> 1. Awards debate (M.J. Prior)

Obviously I should put in my 2 cents about this....
I do not wish to win this award. One wants to win awards, sure, but for work
that one knows is truly outstanding. One doesn't wanna win awards based on
some fluke of timing or how submissions were nominated or not nominated. I
was hoping to get nominated for "The Dream of a Lifetime" or "Prisoner of
White Agony Creek", both of which I was *very* proud of. But I guess
"Prisoner" was not printed in a comic booklet here (it was in a "trade
paperback", therefore ineligible for a "comic book" award), and I'm told
that the Gemstone editor did not understand the proper nominating procedure
until after "Dream"'s year -- he would nominate multiple titles, stories,
writers and artists in each award category, rather than just ONE nomination
per category, which apparently resulted in voiding his nomination ballots
during those years (this is what I was told).
So... if there is even a chance I would win for a run-of-the-mill story like
"GLORPS Again!", I would be hard-pressed not to stand up there and ask some
questions... like "Thanks, but... what about my *good* stories?" or "If I
wrote and drew the best comic story of the year in ANY category, how could I
then NOT also be at least nominated for BEST WRITER/ARTIST OF THE YEAR even
just in the humor category?" (*note below) or "How can a 26 page story be
nominated for BEST *SHORT* STORY when the super-hero comics that are
nominated as BEST SINGLE ISSUE (Best full-length story) are only 22 pages
long?" (**note below). And then somebody would shout up from the audience
"Y'know, and *I've* been wondering how you win American Eisners when your
work is all done for and reprinted from Europe, making you only eligible for
the single BEST FOREIGN MATERIAL award?", a question I cannot answer, so
then they might demand all my past Eisners be returned and a fistfight would
break out and tables knocked over and that would simply not do. (***note
below)
So, for fear of the unlikely chance that I *could* win, and the even more
unlikely chance that one single vote could make a difference, I won't cast
my vote for myself in that category.
And as corny and phony as it always sounds, the truth really is that "it's
enough just to be nominated", at least *this* time with that particular
story, anyway. I do not want this undeserved award -- but I'm very glad to
see the nomination as that does not simply put "UNCLE $CROOGE" and
"Gemstone" in the public eye in this Disney-comics-hating nation, but (in
case you didn't notice), this is not only the FIRST category on the ballot,
but mine is the FIRST alphabetically listed nomination simply because "Black
Knight" starts with 'B'... and I assume (can't recall) that that will carry
through in the actual awards ceremony, win or lose. So THAT is the good
thing about this nomination of a story that deserves no special recognition.
UNCLE $CROOGE and Gemstone Comics will still be the FIRST nomination of the
entire night read aloud, while everyone is still paying full attention. The
Gemstone/Barks/Disney comics are what deserve and need recognition here, and
my nomination has already achieved that in the best way possible.

* Yes, The director of the BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR seldom wins BEST DIRECTOR
OF THE YEAR in the AA Oscars... but that's vastly different -- there are
literally thousands of people who contribute to the success of a movie, and
often the script or the music or the editing or the acting were why a movie
was deemed BEST. When it comes to a comic written and drawn by one guy,
that's rather a different thing.
** The answer to this is that the 22-page super-hero stories appear in 32
page magazines *packed* with ads so there's room for only the one story. My
26 page story appeared in a 64 page magazine with only a coupla house-ads.
That is a definitely flawed situation in those awards. Seems like those
categories should be combined. Oh, well... since all other American comics
are 32 pages, I guess they're satisfied with the way they have it set up.
*** Then my final question, before or after the fistfight, would be "How in
the name o' god did you people not even nominate, much less make a winner
out of, Gemstone's magnificent (and so inexpensive!) job of reprinting the
LIFE AND TIMES OF $CROOGE McDUCK or LaTo$McD COMPANION as BEST GRAPHIC NOVEL
OF THE YEAR - REPRINT CATEGORY. It was Bud Plant's *best-selling* comic
book item of *any sort* of the year, and fans have raved about it around the
world. Gemstone did a spectacular job! And not even a nomination for either
book?! For shame!"
Then they'd take away my plastic wine cup and ask me to leave...


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