Rubberduck schreef:Maar ik vind het zonde om vantevoren al de halve film gezien te hebben.
Rubberduck schreef:Disney had The Princess and the Frog gehypt als "de terugkeer van 2D animatie", maar het ziet er nu somber voor uit.
Ei schreef:Lijkt dat trouwens niet een beetje op Shrek? Daar verandert een prinses in een groen monster. Of vergist Ei zich nu?
The Princess and the Frog: fun movie, great music
When I was a kid, it was a family tradition to go see a Disney animated feature every Christmas vacation. Yesterday, after 25 years, my parents, Aggie and me restored that tradition, complete with ice cream after the showing. The feature this year was The Princess and the Frog, which Aggie and I were a bit skeptical about when we saw the early trailers, but we both warmed to the idea over the past few months. [...] And we loved it. It is not up there with the very best of the Disney features, but it had the strengths of the ones that I remember from when I was growing up, and kept the weaker aspects, such as the sentimentality and the trite moralism, to a minimum. It had fast-paced humour, action and engaging characters. Most of all, it had a very strong villain in Facilier, the Shadow Man. [...]
Ei schreef:Opmerkelijk dat ze weggeven dat na de kus de prinses veranderd in een kikker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6UTSuqQJfA
Lijkt dat trouwens niet een beetje op Shrek? Daar verandert een prinses in een groen monster. Of vergist Ei zich nu?
Ei schreef:Misschien komt het door gebrekkige promotie? Zonder McDrake had Ei niet eens van het bestaan van de 'The Princess and the Frog' geweten.
Zijn er stripverhalen over deze film? Zoals Jonker bijvoorbeeld stripverhalen op basis van 'Aladdin' heeft geschreven?
Generaties lang spiegelen meisjes over de hele wereld zich aan de prinsesjes van Disney. In de nieuwe film The Princess and the Frog is de prinses voor het eerst zwart. Vanuit alle hoeken krijgt Disney kritiek. Zo is haar huidskleur te licht, haar haar te stijl en zijn haar lippen niet vol genoeg . EenVandaag maakt kennis met het eerste zwarte prinsesje Tiana.
Vooral in Amerika wordt de nieuwe tekenfilm flink bekritiseerd, en dan gaat het niet alleen over het uiterlijk van de prinses. De Amerikanen zijn niet blij dat de donkere prinses wordt veranderd in kikker, en bijna de hele film in deze gedaante blijft. Maar het grootste verwijt is dat Disney door middel van een zwarte prinses mee zou willen liften op de Obama-hype. Niks van waar, zegt de filmmaatschappij, we waren al bezig met de film voordat Obama überhaupt presidentskandidaat was.
In Nederland is de film recent in premiere gegaan.
Bron: http://www.eenvandaag.nl/buitenland/355 ... n_opspraak
Appie Aap schreef:Vanuit alle hoeken krijgt Disney kritiek. Zo is haar huidskleur te licht, haar haar te stijl en zijn haar lippen niet vol genoeg.
This post contains spoilers about The Pincess and the Frog
After initially having some doubts about the film in the first place (after seeing the early trailers), I was very excited to go see The Princess and the Frog anyway. Tonight, I finally saw it. It was an okay film. Nothing more, nothing less. It's definitly not the 'Renaissance movie' many had hoped for. Not only in box-office return, but also in style and substance. It has some serious story-issues.
Overall, the film was a pleasant experience. What I liked most about it, was Dr. Facilier, the villain. I loved the design, the acting, the voicework and his song. That's why I was dissappointed that there wasn't more of him in the film. For someone with that great powers (friends 'on the other side') his goal of taking control of New Orleans through the stand-in Naveen was somewhat... small. What did he want to do with the city once he had taken over it? I don't get what it is he wants.
I was also pleased with the characterization of Tiana. It was refreshing to finally see a Disney 'princess' whose goal was never to catch a prince, but to realise her own dream through hard work and be an independent woman. However, again, I have issues with the story. This is Louisiana in the 1920's. I know this is a Disney film in which 'anything can happen', but there's no way a black girl would have the prospect of opening her own restaurant. The way no racial conflict appeared to exist in 1920's New Orleans bothered me. Not because I want to see race riots, but because it insults my intelligence when the makers assume I know nothing about history by sugar-coating their tale. I particularly enjoyed Tiana's singing voice and the dream-song that was animated in a totally different style; I loved that.
The animation was great most of the time. The integration of handdrawn animation and CGI was seamless. There were no more disturbing miss-matches like in Tarzan or Treasure Planet. They've really come a long way since then. What did bother me to no end, was the way only the main characters (Tiana, Naveen, Ray, Louis, Mama Odie, Facilier) were animated fluidly and flawlessly. The other characters were animated much too stiff. Especially in the first part of the movie, all side-characters (and incidentally even Tiana) walk very mechanically, and the character animation looks like TV-standards art times! It gets better in the second half.
Like I said, what bothered me most, was the story. The second half is certainly the strongest part of the film, and leaves you with an overall positive feeling when walking out of the theatre. The second half (roughly from when they meet Mama Odie untill the end) was more serious, dark and had better character development. I felt that the film overall spend way too much time on horribly unfunny 'jokes' by loud, obnoxious second-rate characters. I've rolled my eyes quite a few times and hoped for a so-called 'funny' scene to end. Sorry Disney, but just having people get fysically hurt is not funny. What were the hillbillies doing there anyway? Cut out the scene and you don't miss a thing. God, that was awful. I also hate Louis. He is the definition of the obligatory 'sidekick' every animated film seems to have since the '90s. He was much too loud. All the supposedly 'funny' moments were too loud and relied only on screaming and running and hitting people on the head.
The real strenght of the film is not in the story-arc. It's much too meager: two frogs cross the swamps to find Mama Odie, only to have to go back again to New Orleans. What made the movie good, was the characterization of Tiana and Naveen and their growing relationship. People have said this is the first time there is a real building of a relationship in a Disney-film (instead of just two people falling instantly in love), but that's not entirely true. Bernard and Bianca were first in The Rescuers. Unlike them, Tiana and Naveen are too exaggerated opposites. She's a hard worker who needs to lighten up; he's a goof-off who needs to be more serious. It's the standard story of any romcom. Anyway, I liked the serious moments between the two of them. How Tiana was almost pursuaded by Facilier was also a strong point, as well as the fact that the makers had me convinced Tiana and Naveen wanted to stay frogs forever, a thought which I hated. They surprised me there. I also thought Ray's story was beautiful. If there's a shining light in the movie (literally), that's Ray. Didn't think he would actually die.
Leaves me with the music. Despite the complaints of several people here on UD, claiming it was the weakest point in the film, I liked it a lot. Randy Newman did a good job. The songs of Dr. Facilier, Mama Odie and Tiana's first were the greatest. Overall though, this film is merely 'okay'. It's not bad, but it can't hold a candle to *any* of the 1990's films, and it can't even match 2002's Lilo & Stitch. Disney has to do better next time.
Rubberduck schreef:Nou, ik vind het een beetje te gemakkelijk om kritiek onmiddelijk af te doen als 'gezeur'. Als filmwetenschapper weet ik hoe krachtig de uitwerking van het medium kan zijn, en als geïnteresseerde in Amerikaanse geschiedenis weet ik hoe gevoelig het debat over 'zwarte identiteit' in de VS is. Ik heb de film gister eindelijk zelf kunnen zien. Ik zag niks aanstootgevends in de portrettering van de zwarte gemeenschap (sowieso geloof ik dat de 'controverse' door de media erg uitvergroot is).
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