Dubbelduck schreef:Even een aantal nieuwe vragen:
-In de winkel heb ik de laatste junior (nummer 2010-04) even doorgebladerd. Het hoofdverhaal met de code H 29500 heb ik even vluchtig doorgekeken. Het zag er wel leuk uit. Wat mij opviel is dat Junior nummer 5 dezelfde voorkant heeft als de eerste junior. Op Inducks staan slechts twee Hollandse verhalen van 3 stroken die nog niet gepubliceerd zijn, waaronder één Mickey Mouse lost het op. Gaan jullie de oude Juniors weer herdrukken?
Dubbelduck schreef:-Volgende week komt King Scrooge The First in het weekblad. Maar de voorkant lijkt veel op W US 71-00, maar er zijn kleine details die verschillen. Is de voorkant van DD 2010-10 door iemand anders gemaakt en zo ja, door wie?
Dubbeduck schreef:-Worden er, naast King Scrooge The First, nog andere lange verhalen gepubliceerd? Zoals een 15 pagina's tellend Ben Verhagen verhalen (H 21177) of een 16 pagina's tellend Frank Jonker en Sander Gulien verhaal (H 27201)? Op Inducks zag ik ook een 36 pagina's ongepubliceerd verhaal (H 2010-037) over Donald die (vermoedelijk) bij TNT werkt. Wanneer wordt dat verhaal gepubliceerd?
Dubbelduck schreef:-Over Beste verhalen 135: ik weet de inhoud nog niet bepaald is en daarom vraag ik dit. Is het een idee om het verhaal Somewhere in Nowhere te publiceren in het album plus het verhaal Somewhere beyond Nowhere? Beide zijn bedacht door Carl Barks, de een is getekend door Pat Block en de ander door Daan Jippes. Wordt trouwens de Mau Heymans remake van Music Hath Charms ook nog in een BV gepubliceerd? Kunnen jullie de bv van dit jaar een titel geven die bij een verhaal hoort? En niet zoals vorig jaar waar Donald niet eens in voorkwam.
Dubbelduck schreef:-Op dit topic werd gezegd dat heel oude ongepubliceerd verhalen vaak naar een tekenaar zijn gestuurd, maar nooit zijn afgemaakt. Maar op Inducks zijn oude verhalen die wel zijn getekend. Hoe zit dat? Was die informatie al bijvoorbaat op Inducks gezet of was het verhaal afgekeurd ofzo?
kwok schreef:2 het woudlopers boek(welke verhalen staan er nr. 7?)
kwok schreef:3komt er nog een nieuwe album serie?
Ferdi F schreef:Dubbeluck schreef:-Komen er dit jaar nog nieuwe reeksen?
Vooralsnog niet. Wel verschijnen er dit jaar enkele nieuwe Donald Duck (Extra) specials.
kwok schreef:Gek gister stond ie nog niet op inducks je hebt hem zeker net geindext?
Rockerduck schreef:Ferdi F schreef:[Somewhere in Nowhere] De inbreng van Carl Barks bij dit verhaal is zo klein, dat dit verhaal waarschijnlijk niet in de Beste Verhalen komt.
Pardon? Barks heeft twee uitgebreide synopsis geschreven voor dit verhaal. Dat is geplaatst op McDrake International:Daniel73 schreef:Topic about 'Somewhere in Nowhere'. (I TES 3-1)
Here's a transcription of a one-page "Donald Duck synopsis" in two faxed versions. Identified by Bill Grandey to be by Carl (Barks), as written in a note to John (Lustig) above each version.
Xeroxes supplied by John Lustig, received by post on 18 October 2003.
John Lustig, about the versions: I finally mailed you a copy of the SIN synopsis today. Actually, I mailed you two versions. About an hour after Bill Grandey faxed me the first synopsis, he faxed me a second one which had a larger role for Huey, Dewey and Louie. Apparently Carl felt the boys should be the ones to save the day for Donald. I sent you both version.
(Email. Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:33:44 EDT)
John Lustig, about the final story: Although this synopsis was the starting point of 'Somewhere in Nowhere,' the final story differs from the synopsis because of additional input from the Carl Barks Studio, Carl Barks, John Lustig and Daan Jippes.
(Email. Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:21:12 EST)
John Lustig's website www.lastkisscomics.com contains information about how 'Somewhere in Nowhere' was created, and it has Lustig's "director's cut" of the plot.
http://www.lastkisscomics.com/readroom.htm (introduction)
http://www.lastkisscomics.com/reading/sin.htm (creation)
http://www.lastkisscomics.com/reading/sinsyn.htm (Lustig synopsis)
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[First synopsis.]
[Handwritten note on xerox: "First version sent to me. J.L."]
John -
This is Carl's one page synopsis for a 10 page Donald Duck story. Please add to as you like and return for brainstorming editing. Add John Lustig to it. Take it anywhere you want to go. A list of gags to fit will be fun. -Bill
DONALD DUCK SYNOPSIS
Beginning:
HD and L are outside D's house talking with a pig friend. Donald walks by with his head down looking bored. He walks by again with his head down. He walks by a third time. H confesses to his pig friend that D has a very boring job. D is "Sidewalk Superintendent (Inspector)" for Duckburg's McDuck Cement Co. On his most exciting days, D finds a crack in the sidewalk. Not much is expected of D by his boss...Scrooge McDuck. Donald confesses to HD and L that he desperately needs a more exciting job. D puts out job applications everywhere. To H D and Ls' dismay (they want to stay in Duckburg)...In desperation, D decides he'll have to be available to relocate and even leave Duckburg. D finally gets his good news. He receives a contract to deliver mail by dog sled in Alaska.
Middle:
In Bearflanks, Alaska, Donald has three days of humorous happenings delivering mail in record time. Each day he is able to deliver mail faster than the day before. On the third day he is notified that he has set a new delivery record. H D and L are pleased to see D on top of his form. McSwine (appeared in milk man story) is not happy to see D doing so well. He is looking for a way to delay D's mail delivery. Money is in the mail by check. McSwine wants to delay it so he can foreclose on the local Bearflanks oil claim. He slows Ds time with a series of detours and tricks such as sand in the snow, substituting the sled dogs with a rare dog...the "Nodding Nap hound". It has enough hair on the outside to look like a good sled dog...but under X-ray (behind the hair) it looks "Chiwawa like" and is always asleep. D tries eveything, but his sled dogs wont move.
Ending:
D saves the day by getting the mail in before midnight, but has set a new worst record for "late delivery". The town of Bearflanks is mad at D. Three examples of upset people are shown (and why they are mad such as Widow Dish missed the final episode of a soap opera because she missed her TV Guide). D is seen pulling the sled dogs all riding in the sled to finish his route just before midnight. The last panel D is back in Duckburg. H claims to his pig friend that sidewalk superintendent is the most exciting job for D that he can stand. L says he is in suspense about whether D find a crack today...or not. D walks by with his head down on his sidewalk inspecting job.
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[Second synopsis. This faxed page has 'Carl Barks Studio' logo lettering, with Grandey and Morby mentioned as managers. The bottom of the page contains the adress, telephone number and fax-number.]
[Handwritten note on xerox: "This version with HDL playing a bigger role was sent to me an hour or so after the 1st version. J.L."]
John -
This is Carl's one page synopsis for a 10 page Donald Duck story. Please add to as you like and return for brainstorming editing. Add John Lustig to it. Take it everywhere you want to go. A list of gags to fit will be fun. -Bill
DONALD DUCK SYNOPSIS
Beginning:
HD and L are outside D's house talking with a pig friend. Donald walks by with his head down looking bored. He walks by again with his head down. He walks by a third time. H confesses to his pig friend that D has a very boring job. D is "Sidewalk Superintendent (Inspector)" for Duckburg's McDuck Cement Co. On his most exciting days, D finds a crack in the sidewalk. Not much is expected of D by his boss...Scrooge McDuck. Donald confesses to HD and L that he desperately needs a more exciting job. D puts out job applications everywhere. To H D and Ls' dismay (they want to stay in Duckburg)...In desperation, D decides he'll have to be available to relocate and even leave Duckburg. D finally gets his good news. He receives a contract to deliver mail by dog sled in Alaska.
Middle:
In Bearflanks, Alaska, Donald has three days of humorous happenings delivering mail in record time. Each day he is able to deliver mail faster than the day before. On the third day he is notified that he has set a new delivery record. H D and L are pleased to see D on top of his form. McSwine (appeared in milk man story) is not happy to see D doing so well. He is looking for a way to delay D's mail delivery. Money is in the mail bv check. McSwine wants to delay it so he can foreclose on the local Bearflanks oil claim. He slows Ds time with a series of detours and tricks such as sand in the snow, substituting the sled dogs with a rare dog...the "Nodding Nap hound". It has enough hair on the outside to look like a good sled dog...but under X-ray (behind the hair) it looks "Chiwawa like" and is always asleep. D tries everything, but his sled dogs wont move.
Ending:
HD and L save the day by getting the mail in before midnight to defeat McSwine. Their Junior Woodchuck guidebook tells them about the "Nodding Nap hound". It has a diagram about what these dogs look like under their [fur]. However, D sets a new worst record for "late delivery". The town of Bearflanks is mad at D. Three examples of upset people are shown (and why they are mad such as Widow Dish missing the final episode of a soap opera, because she missed her TV Guide). D and H, D and L are seen pulling the sled dogs all riding in the sled to finish D's route just before midnight. In the last panel D is back in Duckburg. H claims to his pig friend that "Sidewalk Superintendent" is the most exciting job for D that he can stand. L says he is in suspense about whether D will find a crack in the sidewalk today...or not. D walks by with his head down on his sidewalk inspecting job.
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Transcription notes
corrections by transcriber, in the second synopsis: typo "fir" replaced with "fur"
version: 20061220.01
Bron: http://bb.mcdrake.nl/engdisney/viewtopic.php?id=191
Verder heeft Barks de supervisie gehad over het tekenwerk van Patrick Block. Er bestaan foto's van Barks met de schetsen van het verhaal. Die hebben volgens mij zelfs nog in een Picsou Magazine gestaan. Wat is dit nu weer voor flauwe uitvlucht?
Ferdi F schreef:Ik denk niet dat Somewhere in Nowhere en/of Somewhere Beyond Nowhere in de Beste Verhalen geplaatst gaan worden. Barks inbreng in dit verhaal is zo klein (een briefwisseling en een praatje bij een feestje, als ik me goed herinner) dat je het naar mijn mening niet kun bestempelen als een volledig 'Barks' verhaal.
Pat Block schreef:Carl heavily edited John Lustig's first draft. I have a copy of the notes John received, and there are quite a number of very "classic" Carl suggestings ....the Nodding Naphound, the hot-peppered blubbersicles, and a great deal of good solid writing advice, things like "concentrate on Donald, not the other characters" and "make the dogs cute and give them funny gags", were typical advice in these notes. Carl might have been in his mid nineties, but he still knew exactly what was needed in a story, and he forcefully presented what he thought all along the way. [...]
I finished up the pencils and sent them off to Carl. I really had no idea what he might think of them. I surely kept my finger's crossed. The package came back a week or so later, and I was surprised at not just Carl's drawing suggestions, but at the breadth of the attention he paid to every detail ...the man caught grammatical errors along with my sloppy panel layouts from time to time.
It was exhilerating reading through the drawings that first time ...a little wee money bin by Carl here, a "fine layout" there. He made a sharp editor, and quite a number of my panels were vastly improved by the "Good Artist's" insightful eye. [...]
We got to sit down for a very relaxed look at the now finished story. Carl slowly turned the pages, and it was the highlight of my life as an artist. He would make a comment here and there, chuckling at this or that, and had no complaints. When he came to the big avalanche page, the highlight of the first half of the story, he said, "This is exactly how I would have done it". What more could I possibly have asked for?
Bron: http://www.cbarks.dk/themeetingsblock.htm
Ferdi schreef:Bij de andere verhalen die door Jippes zijn getekend heeft Barks het hele scenario (inclusief schetsen) geschreven, dus dat vind ik toch echt andere koek.
Rubberduck schreef:Ik gebruik het grote woord "liegen", omdat op McDrake al meerdere malen korte metten is gemaakt met de kletspraat die redactieleden hier over dat verhaal hebben rondgestrooid.
Rubberduck schreef:Dat Ferdi het heeft over "een praatje op een feestje" duidt op een teleurstellend gebrek aan basale informatie.
Michiel P schreef:@ Rubberduck: Ik neem er aanstoot aan dat je zo neerbuigend tegen Ferdi doet. Ferdi is ergens niet van op de hoogte. Soit. Je zou het ook op een beleefde manier kunnen uitleggen.
Nu behandel je forumbijdragen van redactieleden alsof het keiharde propaganda is. Een mens kan zich vergissen. Je moet niet elke uitlating gaan fileren alsof er een perfide anti-Barks ideologie achter schuilgaat.
Michiel P schreef:Rubberduck heeft zijn huiswerk niet gedaan. Dat "praatje op een feestje" is wel degelijk onderdeel van de ontstaansgeschiedenis van "Somewhere in Nowhere". Lees de eerste twee alinea's van onderstaande link maar.
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